Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

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Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by härkä » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:38 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-46544456
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A new inquest into the unsolved murder of a girl found dead in a wood 43 years ago has been ordered by the high court.

Helen Bailey was found with her throat cut in August 1975. The eight-year-old disappeared while wearing blue clothes and was dubbed "Little Girl Blue".


Elokuussa vuonna 1975 ensin kotiinsa tulleen ja siellä leikeissä likaantuneet vaatteet vaihtanut ja itsensä pessyt 8-vuotias tyttö katosi ensin hetkeksi ja löytyi pian kuolleena läheisestä metsiköstä.
Hän oli pukeutunut sinisiin vaatteisiin pesun jälkeen. Syy tähän ei ole ilmennyt.

Näin jälkeenpäin näyttäisi siltä ,että hänen kurkkunsa olisi viilletty. Tapaus tuomaroitiin kuitenkin jonkinasteen onnettomuudeksi tai epäonniseksi pilaksi.
Nyt 43.vuoden jälkeen tapaus on avattu uudelleen. Yhtenä seikkana mahdolliset merkit kuristamisesta

On epäilty aiemmin pedofiilin kohtaamista ja siksi Helen olisi käynyt vaihtamassa vaatteet ?
Ehkä pedofiilin pyynnöstä ?
Suoranaista merkkiä seksuaalisesta väkivallasta ei kuitenkaan 70- luvulla oltu havaittu.

Omassa tekstissäni on myös lainauksia muistakin lähteistä kun linkin tektistä.

https://www.truecrimelibrary.com/crimea ... en-bailey/
After four hours out playing, eight-year-old Helen Bailey rushed home, changed her dirty clothes, washed herself and then went out again. She never returned. Some hours later on Monday, August 11th, 1975, her body was found on scrubland in the Great Barr area of Birmingham. She died from a single stab wound.

She had refused to say how she became dirty or why she was so keen to change her clothes. The police theory is that she might have struck up a “friendship” with a paedophile who sent her home to tidy herself up before returning to him. But there were no obvious signs of sexual assault. The Home Office recorded the murder as “motiveless.”


Vaatteenvaihto / pedofiiliteoria.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/m ... 5-15543132
Linkissä mm. tapautumapaikasta.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Booth ... -1.9195365
Helenin kotikatu , jonka lähistöltä ruumis löytyi.
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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by Queen » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:02 am

Minulle jäi epäselväksi, että oliko tämän tytön äiti (tai joku muu kotiväestä) kotona silloin, kun tyttö tuli pesulle ja vaatteiden vaihtoon, vai onko asia vain päätelty?

Periaatteessa tietysti voisi ajatella, että ehkä häntä odotti joku ystävä, jolla myös oli siniset vaatteet, mutta kai tällainen olisi myöhemmin tullut ilmi.
Minkähänlaiseen onnettomuuteen hänen ensin oletettiin joutuneen, jos sitten ilmenikin, että kurkku on mahdollisesti viilletty.

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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by härkä » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:08 pm

^
Tuo tulkinta onnettomuuteen joutumisesta on omituinen. Se on sanottava kyllä.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/m ... y-13248700
Tuossa linkissä on Crimewacthsin video , jossa poliisi kertoo vaatteidenvaihdosta.
Samassa yhteydessä on myös Helenin äidin haastattelu , joskaan hän ei tunnu mainitsevan erikseen vaatteidenvaihdosta.
Toteaa Helenin olleen avoin ja puhelias toisille ihmisille.
Helen Bailey was just eight when her distraught father found her lifeless body in a thicket known locally as the “Magic Wood” near the M6 in August 1975.

Still fully clothed in her blue shorts, blue blouse and blue socks and shoes, Helen died as a result of a single stab to the body.
There were multiple reports at the time of a “ginger-haired” man seen loitering near the murder scene.

Ote samasta linkistä.
Ruumis löytyi siis M6 moottoritien vierestä/ alapuolelta. Ko. tie on varsin vilkas ja menee läheltä Helenin kotiakin.
Mainitaan inkiväärin värisen tukan omaavasta miehestä , joka on useiden vihjeiden mukaan ollut alueelle.

Helenin kotikatu päättyy tälle , Turnberry rd:lle , jonka varrella mm. koulu ja tyypillinen brittiesikaupunki kauppakeskittymä.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5425396 ... 312!8i6656
70- luvulla kaupat ovat varmasti olleet erilaiset , ainakin osittain.
Ginger-head on voinut olla jossakin tuossa ??? Briteissäkin oli vielä tuolloin paljon pienruokakauppoja. Markettien aika ei ollut vielä koittanut.
On siellä tosin vieläkin enemmän ns. kyläkauppoja , jos verrataan tavallaan suhteessa Suomeen.

Kauppojen takana on vähän metsikköä , jonka jälkeen menee se M6 motari. Aivan kohdalla ei ole ainakaan nyt ramppia.
Alue sinänsä vaikuttaa keskiluokkaiselta , ehkä hieman liian ahtaaksi rakennetulta ja tyypilliseltä esikaupunkialueelta. B-hamista koilliseen.

Little girl blue on myös 1930 - luvulla tehty laulu..
Moni kovan luokan artisti on sitä esittänyt.
Yksi niistä on Janis Joplinin tulkinta aiheesta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCQM3FvD3hg

Englannin elokuun lämmössä soi paljon vuonna 1975 Coconut Airways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ALD-rI8Q08
Tästähän muuntui meillä vähän myöhemmin Kalakukko Airways.
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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by Queen » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:10 am

Mitähän mieltä tytön perhe on ollut siitä, että tapahtuman jälkeen tapaus on katsottu joko onnettomuudeksi tai jopa epäonnistuneeksi pilaksi? Ovatko he voineet hyväksyä tällaista?
Usein noissa ulkomaalaisissa Kadonneet-ohjelman tapauksissa kadonneen perhe pitää viimeiseen asti kiinni rikoksen mahdollisuudesta eli he eivät voi hyväksyä esim. onnettomuutta, itsemurhaa, omaehtoista katoamista jne. Pystyvätkö vanhemmat nielemään noin vain tällaisessa tapauksessa sen, että mahdollisesti tapaukseen ei olisikaan liittynyt ulkopuolista, vaikka sitten myöhemmin on todettu, että lapselta jopa viilletty kurkku auki?
Mietin noita eri mahdollisuuksia, että kuinka tuollainen on voitu ylipäätään selittää onnettomuutena. Onko siis ajateltu, että tyttö on kuristunut johonkin vaatteissa olleeseen nauhaan? Ei oikein sovi, sillä silloinhan se nauha olisi varmasti ruumiin kaulan ympärillä.
Entä, että joku terävä puun karahka olisi viiltänyt kaulan auki?

Lisäys:
Jos miettii tätä epäonnista pilaa, mitä se sitten mahtaa tarkoittaa?
Onko ajateltu, että esim. joku Helenin kaveri, lapsi siis, olisi pilanpäiten uhannut Heleniä jollakin terävällä ja onkin vahingossa leikannut tämän kaulan auki?
Pilaa on myös eräissä tapauksissa tehty niin, että puiden väliin on viritetty siima tai lanka, ja uhri sitten kävelee siihen. Jos viritys olisi lapsen kaulan korkeudella, olisi se saattanut leikata pahaa jälkeä. Mutta siinä tapauksessa kai tällainen lanka olisi huomattu, ellei virittäjä ole sitä poistanut.

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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by härkä » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:58 am

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... urder.html
Ten hours later, her father Leslie recovered her body from a thicket known as the 'Magic Wood' beside the M6 motorway.
Helenin isä löysi ruumiin tuon uutisen mukaan M6 motarin luota. Etsijöitä oli paikalla monia.

Officers believe Helen had been seen walking through an underpass beneath the M6 near Beeches Road School at 7.10pm.
Children, who had been in the area, told police they had also seen a ginger-haired man in the area at the same time.

Officers believe the same man had been seen in the area earlier the say and on previous occasions.
The day before Helen's murder, an eight-year-old girl was attacked by a man with bushy ginger hair, while wearing brown trousers and a lime-coloured shirt. He was described as being aged at the time between 35 and 40.


Olisi ollut silminäkijöitä , jotka havaitsivat Helenin koulun ja motarin paikkeilla klo 7.10 pm.
Myös muut lapset olivat nähneet ginger-headin.
Päivää ennen murhaa , oli toisen tytön päälle hyokätty. Ehkä sana ginger-head ?

West Midlands Police said on the day of her murder, the youngster returned home. She was covered in mud and refused to tell her parents with whom she had been playing.
After washing and changing clothes, Helen went to play again. At around 5.30pm, her father Leslie became worried for his daughter's safety and called the police.


Tuon mukaan voisi olla , että Helenin vanhemmat olivat kotona tuolloin. Olihan sunnuntai.

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Tuo Queenin ja omanikin ihmettely koskien onnettomuutta / pilaa jountaa patologin lausunnosta.
Juuri tämä lausunto on nyt ilmeisesti kumottu
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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by Queen » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:15 am

Ai se oli sunnuntaipäivä!
Siinä valossa tuo vaatteiden vaihto saa aivan uuden sävyn, kun ajattelin ensin, että tyttö olisi tullut koulusta ja vaihtanut likaantuneet kouluvaatteet pois, jolloin vaatteiden vaihto ei olisi ollut niin merkityksellinen.

Kyllähän tuo inkivääritukka tähän juttuun varmasti liittyy. Olisiko mies kuvitellut tytön joksikin toiseksi ja halusi sen vuoksi hänelle siniset vaatteet. Sikäli se on outoa, että hän tosiaan sitten uskoi, että tyttö tulisi takaisin siistiytyneenä ja hänen mielensä mukaan pukeutuneena.
Ymmärsin kyllä, että tuo onnettomuuden mahdollisuus on poissuljettu. Yritin vain miettiä, mitä he oikein kuvittelivat tytölle tapahtuneen ja millaisia vammoja hänessä on ollut.

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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by härkä » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:34 am

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7966465/c ... girl-blue/

But the pathologist who carried it out found that there were no signs of a struggle and the circumstances of Helen's death "lacked the essential hallmarks of a homicidal attack".
He concluded her death may have been the result of an "accident or practical joke gone wrong".

However, the investigation into her death was reopened in 2014 and a pathologist who reviewed the case concluded Helen had been strangled before her throat was cut in a "clear case of homicide".
The judge said police investigated a "confession" made by one suspect in 1979, which was "consistent" with the findings of the pathologist in 2014, but the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) decided not to prosecute him.


Tuossa vielä patologin lausunnosta.
Vuonna 1979 on ollut yksi epäily , joka oli sopinut patologin arvioon , mutta tätä miestä ei oltu syytetty lopulta.
Onnettomuus tai pieleen mennyt pila ??
Mutta eikös pieleen mennyt pilakin ole vähintään kuolemantuottamus ?

Jos joku pedofiili on pyytänyt Heleniä vaihtamaan puhtaat vaatteet , tulee mieleen kuljetus autolla ko. pedofiilin kotiin tai vastaavaan paikkaan.
Kuitekin ruumis löytyi kävelymatkan päästä.
Olisiko lähistöllä ollut jotakin huokuttelevaa paikkaa / tapahtumaa , johon olisi voitu suunnata ?

Miksi Helen luotti ginger-headiin , jos tämä oli rikoksen takana ?
Luulisi Heleniä varoitetun ennalta.
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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by härkä » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:24 pm

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/cri ... ues-death/

'Little Girl Blue' Helen Bailey was unlawfully killed, inquest rules
By Andrew Turton | Great Barr | Crime | Published: 8 hours ago | Last Updated: 4 hours ago

A coroner is to urge prosecutors to launch a review after hearing how police believe an eight-year-old girl was murdered in Great Barr in 1975 by a suspect who later confessed to strangling her.

Helen Bailey who was found dead after disappearing from playing near her home in Great Barr
Senior Birmingham coroner Louise Hunt said she intended to write to the Crown Prosecution Service after being told that John Sir made three confessions to killing Helen Bailey while talking to hospital staff in the late 1970s.

An inquest was told Sir's account to a doctor, of strangling Helen and then cutting her throat with a pen knife because she was still breathing, was "entirely consistent" with new pathological evidence.

Helen became known in media reports as "Little Girl Blue" after she disappeared, wearing blue clothing, on August 10 1975.

The quarry in Great Barr where Helen Bailey's body was found following a search by her father, neighbours and police
Giving evidence via a videolink from an unnamed prison to Birmingham Coroner's Court, Sir, now 72, agreed that he was walking two dogs in the local area on the day Helen vanished.

The suspect, formerly known as Kenneth Etchells, denied any involvement in Helen's death during his evidence, and claimed he invented three confessions to make himself "look interesting" at a psychiatric hospital.
Sir also maintained that it was a coincidence that his account to doctors in the late 1970s was "entirely consistent" with evidence of how she died, which only emerged during a cold case review launched in 2012.


Helen's body was found at a quarry near woodland close to the M6 motorway a day later, and an inquest in 1976 ended with an open verdict after jurors were told a "shallow" throat wound may have been accidental or the result of a practical joke.
A fresh inquest was ordered by the High Court last December after an application by the Birmingham coroner to quash the original verdict.

During more than 25 minutes of testimony, Sir, wearing square-rimmed glasses and an ill-fitting yellow T-shirt, was asked by the coroner whether he knew what happened to Helen.
Sir answered: "Only from what I have heard or saw in the papers or whatever."

Asked why he had made a confession to a doctor at Birmingham's Highcroft Hospital in 1978, Sir added: "I wanted a refuge, somewhere to just sort myself out. It's something that I have done a few times."
Mrs Hunt then asked Sir: "Why did you confess to the murder of an eight-year-old girl just to get into hospital?"
Sir responded: "To make myself interesting to them. To ensure that I got in."

How the Express & Star reported the launch of a murder investigation after Helen Bailey was found
Mrs Hunt then asked Sir: "You are telling the court that it's a coincidence that in 1978 you gave three separate confessions that are consistent with post-mortem findings that were only available in 2012?"

As well as denying that he was responsible for Helen's death, Sir replied: "As I say, all I can say is it was a coincidence."

Sir was then pressed by the coroner, who asked him: "You made confessions in 1978 that gave a very specific mode by which Helen died - that she was strangled and then that her throat was cut.

"That was not known at the time and it's only in 2012 that that has since become known.
"How could you have known that information when it wasn't available or known about until 2012?"
Sir answered: "I cannot explain that, other than coincidence."

The Express & Star printed a picture of Helen Bailey on August 12, 1975, as the investigation gathered pace
The coroner went on to ask Sir, who was then living in Tamworth, if he had owned a pen knife at the time of Helen's death.
After a long pause, Sir told the hearing: "I may have done, because I go fishing. It would have been in with my fishing tackle."

Earlier in the hearing, Detective Chief Superintendent Caroline Marsh said a cold case review, which led to Sir's questioning in 2014, had left her "absolutely certain" that Helen was murdered.
The officer told the hearing: "I have no doubt in my mind.

"I believe the perpetrator was Kenneth Etchells and there are no outstanding suspects in this inquiry."
Ms Marsh said that despite representations from West Midlands Police, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) had decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Sir for murder.

Sir, whose family home was near to where Helen's body was found, was interviewed at Bloxwich police station over two days in May 2014, after being arrested while in prison.


The serving prisoner was given a life sentence in 1991 for the attempted murder of his mother, who was attacked with a hammer and died months later from pneumonia.
During Friday's hearing, Mrs Hunt said she had written before the inquest to the CPS, who had already replied to say they would only reconsider the case again if new evidence was presented.

Recording her finding of unlawful killing, the coroner said: "I will be writing to them again with the outcome of this case and asking them to reconsider their decision."
Following the inquest, Detective Chief Superintendent Mark Payne, head of West Midlands Police CID, said: "We're very pleased today that the coroner has recorded a different verdict which properly reflects the way that Helen met her death.

"We are actively pursuing this investigation - a cold case review - and are very much hopeful of bringing an offender to justice."

Helen's mother, Margaret Bailey, now 86, said in a statement read to the inquest that she wanted justice to be seen to be done.
Speaking after the hearing, she said: "It's just blighted our lives."

The retired receptionist, who described the person who killed her daughter as "wicked", said: "We would like closure. We've waited 44 years for this day."


Tämä John Sir oli siis aiemmin Kenneth Etchells. Oli yrittänyt tappanut äitinsä , joka sittemmin kuoli keuhkokuumeeseen.
On tehnyt sairaalassa tunnustuksia , jotka ehkä sopivat poliisin tekemään profiiliin.
( Nyt en ehdi perehtymään sen syvemmältä tähän )
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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by härkä » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:14 pm

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/cri ... m-killing/

Detectives called on the services of expert Home Office pathologist Dr Nat Cary, who examined the original post-mortem photos and notes, and found typical signs of asphyxia - he concluded the death was "a clear case of homicide".

He also found her neck had been cut twice, and said the wounds - described as "shallow" by the original pathologist, were anything but.
The findings were a bombshell for the family, who - after four decades - had to be told their "wonderful little girl" had been murdered.


Tuon otteen mukaan Dr Nat Cary sanoo kurkun leikkausjälkiä olleen kahdet.
Kyse ei siis olisi voinut olla onnettomuudesta tai " pilasta "
Helenin isä oli ollut koko ajan murhan kannalla , samoin kuin Helenin Adrian veli.
Isä ehti jo kuolla ennen noitten tutkimusten valoontuloa.
Ehdittiin epäillä kahta viatonta poikaakin , joihi äitikin hetken osasi kohdistaa epäilystään.
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Re: Helen Bailey " Blue little girl " UK Birmingham 1975

Post by härkä » Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:46 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-48882666

John Sir was said to have made admissions in 1978 and 1979, allegedly telling a doctor he strangled her and used a penknife to cut her throat.

The inquest has concluded she was unlawfully killed.
On Thursday, Sir - who was formerly known as Kenneth Etchells - lost a legal bid to protect his anonymity.

Ote linkistä.
Sir / Etchells on noissa lääkäritunnustuksissaan maininnut käyttäneensä kynäveistä teossa.

Outoa , että tuota on aiemmin pidetty jonkinasteen " pilana "
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